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#54 Neurofeedback Technology – Best Biohack Yet, with Dr. Valdeane Brown – Podcast

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This episode is all about the most effective biohack I’ve experienced yet – NeurOptimal® brain training. Dr. Valdeane Brown, Founder of NeurOptimal, joined me on the show to share how this technology takes your performance to uncharted levels! The NeurOptimal brain trainer is the most powerful and affordable neurofeedback technology available. You will get to hear about the EEG technology and how it transforms your brain, upgrades athletic performance, and even helps with migraines, PTSD, and abusive relationships.

Does this sound too good to be true? Listen for yourself…

Dr. Valdeane W. Brown is an internationally recognized “trainer of neurofeedback trainers”, who has taught and consulted widely on personal and organizational transformation. With a Ph.D. in Clinical Psychology and a background in math, Valdeane Brownphysics, computer programming, philosophy, yoga, meditation and martial arts, Dr. Brown brings a presence and precision to his work. This is further informed by a profound sense of compassion, a facility with energy dynamics and a deep commitment to revealing the elegant simplicity inherent in learning and transformation.

Developer of the Five Phase Model and co-creator with his wife Sue of the Period 3 Approach to Clinical Neurofeedback, Dr. Brown has realized his vision of a truly comprehensive training system in NeurOptimal. His vision in bringing NeurOptimal to the world is to make personal transformation effortless and available to all.

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What We Cover

  • 2:25 Dr. Val Brown’s wide experience & the creation of NeurOptimal
  • 5:30 The high cost and complexity of normal EEG technology
  • 7:10 The problem with typical EEG technology
  • 9:00 What is neurofeedback and why it is Dave’s most effective biohack
  • 10:15 The central nervous system, neurofeedback, and connectivity
  • 11:00 Dave’s problem with typical EEG technology
  • 12:00 Dr. Val’s vision for neurofeedback and NeurOptimal
  • 14:55 How the brain optimizes itself vs. controlling what your brain does
  • 16:10 Hangovers and drunkenness vs. NeurOptimal feedback
  • 17:15 Why negative feedback is more powerful than positive feedback
  • 18:10 Real life examples of negative feedback
  • 22:00 Dave’s initial response to NeurOptimal
  • 22:45 The strange abilities of musicians and cameramen
  • 24:40 “Therapy in the rearview mirror”
  • 26:50 What aspects of life are NeurOptimal most impactful?
  • 28:10 The answer to the teenage circadian rhythm
  • 30:40 How NeurOptimal has helped people with abusive relationships
  • 31:30 Val’s golf game and rapid improvement
  • 32:50 Biohacking technology and sports
  • 35:20 Special Ops psychophysiological abilities
  • 37:40 The power of mastering awareness/focus at a young age
  • 39:50 NeurOptimal and family
  • 42:50 How the brain is blind to itself
  • 44:10 Case study: NeurOptimal and migraines
  • 46:00 The NeurOptimal approach to diagnosing health problems
  • 47:50 How NeurOptimal takes your “game” to a whole new level
  • 48:45 How many sessions does it take to improve performance?
  • 51:55 What are the possible risks of NeurOptimal?
  • 55:10 Case study: Problem with EEG
  • 57:00 Top 3 recommendations to kick more ass in life

Links From the Show

Featured

Zengar.com

NeurOptimal (Neurofeedback Systems) Facebook

@NeurOptimal

NeurOptimal® Personal Trainer Bundle

Tech

HeartMath Inner Balance™ Sensor for iOS

HeartMath® emWave2

HRV Sense App

Upgraded™ Focus Brain Trainer

Supplements

Bulletproof® Upgraded™ Coffee

Alpha BRAIN™

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  • Justin

    The link is to a 37kb .mp3. Something’s gone terribly, terribly wrong.

  • TMS71

    Not only the link is broken. The embedded player doesn’t work either.

  • George Tsoukatos

    It doesn’t work.

  • Greg

    still not working on itunes.

  • Tracker

    Working now. Vegan attack has been thwarted.

  • Jason

    maybe I would like this product better if it wasn’t $5,500. But until I can piss away that type of money, it’s too expensive.

  • TMS71

    One of the best, maybe the best podcast yet. I wonder if this technology could be combined with ‘Focusing’ (the emotional technique). Would be fascinating to see.

  • Mark

    Can we just get a cheaper version of this? Seriously why is no one addressing the fact that practically no one will use this simply because of the price. I for one love the tech but it’s such a pain that is so expensive. And what if it doesn’t work for you. Then you’ve thrown away 5.5k on a brick.

    • Tracker

      Don’t exaggerate. There’s a 20% restocking fee, so if it doesn’t work you’ve thrown away 1.1K on a brick.

    • Neurotherapist

      Actually, anyone can do this for $1000 or so – get some basic equipment with BioExplorer software, and set up a C3 referenced to C4 standard deviation protocol with MIDI feedback on Theta amplitude.
      Val’s descriptions / opinions of other neurofeedback methods are rather misleading… perhaps it’s what he feels he needs to do to sell his product.

  • policarpo

    I really wish there was a system like this on the iPad or Android tablet. I wonder if the new Emotiv headset will allow us to harness this type of power in a mobile platform. Maybe it’s time to start a kickstarter with Biohacking vision as the foundation!

    • MrMike

      did you buy the Emotiv on the kickstarter? I’ve been thinking about it but will I actually be able to perform neurofeedback on myself?

    • Augusts Bautra

      The technology definitely exists – a headset EEG + some mobile based software = 24/7 neurofeedback.

  • erlendhildrum

    his sounds super intresting to me. i have adhd, reading and writng dificulties. after i went bulletproof all of this is much improved. but i use alot of energy on controling my self and some times i just cant do it.when i cant, it almost feels like i am just on a ride. not deciding where i am going. i have trubble with the law some times:P (weed is illegal in norway(serriusly)) and i spend way to much money on bullshit. if i buy this, will i then be able to spend less moeny on bullshit? controll my mood easier? read and write better? not use weed to help me controll my self? if that is the case. i would actully save money on buying this. what happens when 300 sessions have gone out?

    • SerenityNeurofeedback

      You can purchase refills from Zengar once the 300 sessions run out

  • Christopher Hatty

    Dave, can you (and if he already has, can someone link me to it) give us a quick run down of what Inner Balance does vs. what the emWave does?
    Thanks!

  • Davisab

    To use this software I have to buy a 5500 bundle that includes a laptop (which I already have) and is arbitrarily limited to 300 sessions? Why cant I just buy the accessories, software, and run it as many times as I want? The barrier of entry to try this protocol is prohibitively high for most people. Why not release the essential components at a more affordable price? If its as beneficial as Dave and Dr. Brown claim then the word of mouth/sales/profit would explode in no time. The pricing model for this product looks to encourage MLM style behavior, where you need friends/clients to help recoup the cost of the system.

    • Tom from Raleigh

      On the podcast, they talk about a personal and professional model. It’s possible that the 300 session limit is to prevent people from buying the personal version to use in a professional environment.

  • Jeremy

    meditating is still cheaper.

  • Jim

    For those complaining about the price, just wait about a year. If this system proves effective, then competitors will come out with more price-competitive mobile versions.

  • Neotenoid

    Several years ago I received NeuroOptimal neurofeedback training. At that time it was called “NeuroCare.” The training precipitated the sudden end to 35 years of chronic insomnia. It had a similar effect on a cousin’s insomnia. Other family members noticed no great difference and did not go beyond three or four sessions.

    The software was extremely powerful and flexible, but finicky and exacting in its laptop hardware requirements. I can imagine that by bundling the laptop he saves himself endless programming frustration.

    Val brought a unique set of skills together to create a peerless approach to neurofeedback, but I have never thought that marketing savvy was among those skills. It a recurring problem among great inventors. I.m glad that David is helping to get the message out.

    In my area there are practitioners who can train by-the-session so it is worth a search.

  • Mark McCoskey

    Just listened to the Val Brown podcast, but seeing that this unit is $5,500, that’s out of my range today. Since I have a laptop and anti-virus, I just need the rest. And seeing that there is a 300 session limit before needing to fork out more money…

  • Nick

    I use this type of neurofeedback for myself and other people, and I’ve seen great results. For myself, I’m more focused, less reactive, less overwhelmed, more present, and more in-control of my attention and brain activity.

    I’ve seen people drop OCD behavior, drop anxiety, overcome PTSD effects, and generally accomplish more of what they want in life by “getting out of their own way”.

    Yes, it’s expensive to buy, but splitting the cost with others is an option. You could also find a trainer in your area through Zengar.com .

    Check out http://www.coloradoneurofeedback.com for more info on this system and what sessions are like.

    • Roy

      I found the non-specific training of Neuroptimal pleasant, and while I felt generally more positive it didn’t sort my symptoms. I found the more specific QEEG training to be miles ahead – I went to http://www.brainworksneurotherapy.com in London and they sorted the symptoms in no time.

      • Rich

        How many sessions of NeurOptimal did you have Roy? Also, if you dont mind, what kind of symptoms did you have that it didn’t resolve?

  • Rebekah

    40 years of Zen, which is $15,000 actually seems like a better choice…more proven with help and structure…no trying to set aside yet one more hour per day that you don’t have for something and then falling short. Both are expensive and beyond my reach at the moment, but I would opt to save my pennies and do the week long training.

  • Dozo

    FWIW, most people don’t buy the NeurOptimal system — going to a trainer in their office, or renting the system for a couple of months usually is plenty for clearing up insomnia, migraines, ADHD, PTSD, etc, so the $5K is misleading. The people who buy it tend to be either peak performers (elite athletes, artists etc), people with family members on the Autistic spectrum (Aspergers, Autism, etc), people with things like misophonia or Traumatic Brain Injury, and families where everyone had something that improved so they like the idea of growing better together — and, of course, the people who get so excited they want to do this for everyone they know:)
    BTW, this system is unique and cutting edge, so the “competitors” won’t be ripping it off any time soon. The old-fashioned kind, QEEG driven or just site/frequency specific, works well, too, but, IMHO, not as well as this system. And, neurotherapist, “anyone” can’t do BioExplorer (or EEGer etc) — an expert can, but pushing the brain with those systems can go very very wrong if you don’t know a lot about what you are doing. (I started out using them a decade ago, am an expert, and still prefer the training that NeurOptimal does)

    • Neurotherapist

      Hmm… i recognize neuroptimal’s writing all over this post. It reads exactly as some of their other posts on other sites. What a shifty outfit.

      • Guy

        I have no connection with Zengar other than having used the Neuroptimal system and I would recommend it to anyone.

        For those complaining that it is too expensive… as Dozo says, you don’t have to buy a system. You can book a session with a trainer.

  • sadi

    On Dave’s latest creative live training he suggested having people pool together and buying the equipment and splitting the sessions. Anyone intrested i’m guessing 50-60 sessions each should be profoundly effective.

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  • Rolf Rau

    if u can’t afford super expensive eeg training, then just buy the book “open focus brain” by dr. les fehmi and do the exercises daily! thank me later

  • Chris Dupuis

    I personally find some dissonances on the whole story. Dave talks about doing effort to self-correct, he always mention this idea of effort when talking about his neurofeedback experience. I’ve heard he mentioning having to make a sound louder as he enhances his mental activity, based on neurofeeback. Yet, Dr. Brown’s method is preciselly based on not doing effort, there is no variation on sound rather a few short interruptions on the song. And as it is negative feedback based, you cant really assume one would be in need of increasing the volume of a sound, for this is more positive feedback based. It confuses me. Additionally, the 7-days programe and its benefits are interwined, not clearly differentiated, from these home versions of it… Too bad because my excitement for this method is purelly based on Dave’s experience and although I tried one free section of a certified Neuroptimal neurofeedback trainer, I am afraid my first shot on hypnotherapy was much more impacting. Adding these dissonances, like I said, make me in a more difficult position to take a decision between these two seemingly great biohacking techniques…

  • Laura

    Can someone please tell me the difference between this and brain state technologies – brainwave optimisation? I have amazing benefits with this, and unsure/not convinced this is as good?or similar? Thanks :)

    • Neurotherapist

      Fundamentally, there is very little difference. They are both in the ‘neuro-bunk’ category, their marketing riddled with half-truths. They both use basic 2 channel neurofeedback equipment, and make it sound as if they have invented their own methods. Don’t be fooled; they have not.
      Brain State takes a little more knowledge and skill to use and is slightly more advanced – they use multiple sites with a similar ‘amplitude reflection’ form of feedback. This method went out of use some 15 years ago in the neurotherapy world, but does appear again and again marketed under new names. Val Brown’s website text is a pretty clear copy of Brain State’s old site – birds of a feather and all.
      I would look to an experienced neurotherapist using modern equipment… what you lose in flashy marketing, you’ll gain in experience and results. No therapist moves to one of these sorts of beginners systems from modern neurofeedback. It’s ridiculous.

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