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#53 Raw Vegan to Bulletproof Meat Eater – a beneficial transformation, with Kristen ‘Raw’ Suzanne – Podcast

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This episode brings to light an ex-vegan advocate’s journey to eating a mostly meat-embraced Bulletproof® diet. Kristen ‘Raw’ Suzanne, author, popular blogger, and nutrition researcher, shared her former vegan assumptions, how easy or difficult it was to change, and the ethics of food. We also dove into a detailed conversations about liver meat, fertility issues on a vegan diet, how to stay Bulletproof when traveling with family, and how to nourish your kids the best way possible.

In 2005, Kristen walked away from her corporate career in executive-level operations to focus on her true passion: healthy food. Already a vegan for two years, she turned her attention to the raw vegan cuisine and lifestyle, initially teaching classes and providing personal chef services, but as her online audience grew, she ultimately shifted to full-time blogging, recipe development, and eventually publishing 12 books on raw vegan diets. By 2012, concerns with her and her child’s health forced her to reevaluate the nutritional claims made by advocates of raw and vegan diets.

After Kristen introduced high quality animal products into her family’s diet, she saw dramatic improvements almost immediately. Her family now eats a diet high in grass-fed beef and butter, bison, pastured eggs, and wild-caught seafood, while avoiding grains, gluten, and soy. While her personal transformation and conversion from vegan to omnivore has been controversial in the vegan and raw food community, Kristen has been on hiatus from blogging to spend time researching and fully exploring the nutritional and culinary aspects of eating in this new way for her family.

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What We Cover

  • 1:30 The similarities between a vegan diet and the Bulletproof diet
  • 2:30 Why Kristen became vegan
  • 3:25 How the vegan “scene” has changed
  • 4:30 Kristen finds Raw
  • 5:50 Overlooked health problems while being vegan
  • 6:25 The vegan “trap”, new habits, and Dave’s vegan experience
  • 8:40 How ethics tie into your eating habits
  • 10:30 Dreams about eggs (lol)
  • 11:20 Kristen’s improvement since adding meat & eggs back into her diet
  • 12:45 The link between IQ and ovulation
  • 15:00 Kristen’s current diet
  • 16:50 A typical day in Kristen’s shoes
  • 17:10 Kristen and Bulletproof® Coffee
  • 20:00 Organ meats and desiccated liver
  • 21:50 A fine line: eating liver meat
  • 23:40 The simpler, the better – Kristen’s view on food ingredients
  • 24:45 The strange ingredients Kristen added to her vegan diet
  • 25:40 How Kristen cooks her food
  • 27:10 The SuVee
  • 28:30 The best flavor vs. the best health impact
  • 30:15 The assumptions of vegan grocery items (Don’t be tricked!)
  • 31:00 How the diet change has improved her family’s health
  • 32:45 Kristen’s integrity – going from vegan to omnivore
  • 35:45 “When you stop adapting, you start dying”
  • 36:25 Travel & a high-quality diet: How Kristen did it
  • 38:15 The power of planning ahead on trips
  • 39:30 Why Yelp! Lacks integrity for small businesses
  • 40:50 How Kristen feeds her kids
  • 41:10 Celery salt, nitrates, and gut bacteria
  • 44:50 The problem with kids’ menus
  • 45:25 Snacking problems in kids with a typical diet
  • 46:30 Anna’s (Dave’s daughter) Christmas wish
  • 47:40 Getting kids involved in food prep & the whole experience
  • 49:00 Foreign cultures, veganism, and fertility
  • 49:45 Dave’s reason for sharing his food experiences
  • 51:35 Kristen’s top 3 things to live a Bulletproof life

Links From The Show

Featured

Kristen’s Raw

Kristen’s Raw TV

Kristen’s Facebook

@GreenMommyBlog

Kristen’s Raw: The Easy Way to Get Started & Succeed at the Raw Food Vegan Diet & Lifestyle

Mentions

Better Baby Book

Diet For A New America

8 Steps to a Pain free back

Food & Supplements

Bulletproof® Upgraded™ Coffee

Desiccated Liver

Vitamin C

Tech

HeartMath Inner Balance™ Sensor for iOS

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  • lee

    Great podcast, on a very interesting topic. Really respect anyone willing to change their path in the midst of enormous pressure (especially when it affects book sales!).
    All that said, Dave — it would be amazing to hear you chat with someone whose views don’t line up so closely with yours. For example, how about a vegan athlete like Rich Roll. He seems informed and respectful and, from what I can tell, incredibly successful with his plant powered diet. I’m sure you’d agree on a lot, but there would also be room to explore some gray areas.
    Just a suggestion. Keep up the good work.

    • Tim Dietz

      I, too would like to see/hear you interview an open minded person with an opposing eating program. I have some friends who are recent converts to vegetarianism and would not like to see them ruin their health long-term. Thanks!

  • VitaScott

    AMBIEN – friend needs a Bulletproof Intervention!
    Dave – what are your thoughts on Ambien? I’ve come across some very scary research regarding its negative effects on cognitive function. Assuming you aren’t a big fan… what supplements, nutritional tactics, and other tools would you recommend using to 1) get off of Ambien, 2) reduce withdrawal symptoms, and 3) instill healthy sleep habits. My friend has been taking Ambien every night for over 5 years.

    You are doing amazing work – I share your podcasts and posts with everyone that I care about.

    Scott, Palm City, FL

  • Tracker

    My own story is somewhat similar only way more condense. My transformations happened over 10 days instead of 10 years. I had watch the movie “Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead”. That motivated me to get a juicer, and watch “Fork over Knives”, and read about “The China Study” (although I never did read the book), which lead me to vegan type websites and other books. I was totally convince. I was going to do a juice fast, then go totally raw foods vegan (I never had a full raw day because I couldn’t stop myself from making stir fry vegies, but I was totally vegan for about 10 days). I came across Dave’s site and dismissed anything he said that didn’t match what I wanted to hear. It’s really easy to do that because there is so much crappy info out there it can be hard to recognize what could be useful.

    The first crack in my new paradigm came after something T. Colin Campbell (author of The China Study) said. I don’t remember the exact source, I don’t even remember if it was a video/movie or if it was something I read. But the topic of vegan kids tending to be smaller than kids who ate meat came up and he said something like “to me the meat eating kids are growing faster because they are aging faster, and that’s not a good thing” (paraphrasing from memory). I immediately thought “wow, that sounds like BS”. That comment in itself didn’t convince me of anything, but it allowed my mind to be more open to criticisms of the vegan way of life.

    It took a while (like 3 days), but I starting reading some of Denise Minger’s blog (former raw food vegan with teeth problems, a common theme), re-read some of Dave’s articles, read the first 100 pages of Good Calories Bad Calories. I was convince that ditching the vegan diet was the way to go. I started drinking coffee for the first time ever, stuffed my fridge with Kerry Gold butter, and lived happily ever after.

    • http://GreenMommyBlog.com/ Kristen Suzanne

      Interesting. Thanks for sharing.

    • ChristineLm

      I also read the China Study and was convinced it was the way to go until I wised up and saw the BS.

  • http://adventuresindressmaking.com/ Adventures in Dressmaking

    Awesome! Thank you so much for having her on! I was raw vegan for 3 years and vegetarian for 10 before that, and have been eating the Bulletproof Diet for 8 months now–and have seen incredible improvements in my health! I love hearing from a former vegan/vegan advocate who has found the science between a healthy omnivorous diet. Thank you!!

  • kakashi

    You’re an idot! She obviously wasn’t following a high carb low fat raw vegan diet otherwise she’d feel better. Eating meat is not a natural part of the human diet. So carb the fuck up!

    • lee

      Another warm-hearted empathetic vegan heard from.

    • VitaScott

      Probably shouldnt give this a response… but …Keyboard ninja! Probably very subdued and non-confrontational in “real life.” It’s sad Kakashi – show some respect and you might get some in return.

    • http://www.paulnewcomb.com/ Paul

      “Eating meat is not a natural part of the human diet.”

      Except for the fact that it is.

      • KM

        exactly, I wonder why we have teeth and a digestive tract designed for processing it…. >.>

      • Ryan Critchett

        Yeppers! Love it.

    • TheJeebus

      I recognize sarcasm when I see it. Well played, sir.

    • Ryan Critchett

      Awww. That all plant diet got your neurology all messed up? We understand.

  • Sandy

    I had a pretty dramatic experience since moving to the US from New Zealand in 2008. I embraced my new life in California, and decided to try my new culture. I trained as a raw chef and instructor, read T Colin Campbell and John Robbins, went to conferences, and became a totally obsessed raw vegan. I have continued with my studies, now heading for a Bachelors in Nutrition. From probably day one on raw vegan, I started gaining weight. Convincing myself of the quality of what I was eating, I did 60 days juicing (lost the weight and then watched it pile back on at the end of the fast). I simply couldn’t understand it, and was diligently studying and trying to find the answers. There must be something wrong with me. Maybe hypothyroid. I grew progressively weaker, fatter, hungrier, tireder, sadder, and finally dragged myself for blood tests which revealed single-digit vitamin D levels, requiring months and months of megadoses to get me to ‘normal’ levels again. In the end I felt as if I couldn’t control anything and found myself bingeing on bread and sugars, truly believing that I must have an eating disorder.

    So I decided to start over.

    I started with poached eggs and steamed veges. Within hours I felt better. I started investigating metabolic types, getting an understanding that we are all individuals, and what was working for my friends in the raw vegan community was definitely not working for me. I decided to see what would happen if I ate like a ‘protein’ type. Whey smoothies, no grains, quality organic proteins, lots and lots of non-starchy vegetables, good fats, minimal fruit.

    It was nothing short of miraculous, to find that I had forgotten to eat lunch because I wasn’t hungry, and that my brain was actually working properly, engaging me in my work. To NOT be obsessed with food, and yet to be eating all the things I had traditionally enjoyed all my life. What a revelation! At the risk of sounding like a TV commercial, I have found my energy is back, I’m hiking, biking, lifting weights and working twice as efficiently as before. I sleep better. My sex life has vastly improved. I have lost 50 pounds (off a 5ft frame, that’s dramatic stuff). I’m never deprived and never hungry. I recently had a total physical, all blood work, scans, everything, and I’m totally 100% in normal range, with no health issues whatsoever.

    I do believe that there are those for whom a high carbohydrate diet really works. And there are those for whom a high protein diet works. I don’t believe that one size fits all, and we have to work that out for ourselves.

    But for me, definitely I have come back to life.

    • KM

      I really like this observation. I think everyone has a responsibility to see what works for themselves not just take peoples word for it. I can survive on high carb of diets, but bulletproof-eque eating has changed my life for the better. I’ve done my experimenting, I hope other will too.

      • Tim Dietz

        Actually, KM, I hope you keep on experimenting. I, for one, am happily and healthfully bulletproof, but I will never stop searching for what may be even better for me, as I’m sure Dave, himself, is continuously doing.

        • Tracker

          Do you think 50 years from now you’ll be saying “remember when I went through that bulletproof coffee phase? I was such a dumb-ass”?

        • Jenna from San Fran

          Yes I think we will eat a high-fat diet, like the nutritional ketosis diet I am on. Was raw vegan and doing Master Cleanse several times a year. It destroyed my metabolism and I was bloated and lethargic. Now I eat 85% fat, 3% carbs from mostly green veggies and the rest from protein. NEVER TIRED, NEVER HUNGRY and the biggest miracles of all are NO CRAVINGS, OILY SKIN CLEARED UP and I’M SKINNY…with no added workouts…just life and walking the dog!!! :-)

  • http://bebrainfit.com/ Deane Alban

    It takes a lot of courage to do what Kristen did. Finding the right diet is a lifelong process. As someone who has been through many diets – I was a vegetarian for over 20 years and taught macrobiotic cooking – I urge people not to be too dogmatic about diet because the diet you eat today well might not be the diet you’ll eat in the future. If someone is still eating the same diet at 60 that they did at 20 they aren’t paying attention!

    • http://GreenMommyBlog.com/ Kristen Suzanne

      Thanks. I agree, as lifestyles change, age, etc.. it’s always good to reevaluate and make changes as needed.

    • Kasper

      Unless, of course, you eat the Bulletproof diet at 20, which some of us are doing.

      • jason

        Actually Kasper, with all due respect, you seem to have completely missed Deane’s point. I promise you that even your diet — Bulletproof as it may be — will go through many changes, as you do.

        • John

          I agree. There will never be the perfect diet – or at least not for awhile. We’re still all trying to figure this thing out as we go.

  • Anthony

    How does she know the beef is grass fed and not just a label?

  • Jinny

    From Jinny Freeman? to Kristen: It is easy just to tell someone off and then block them from posting on your Facebook…. Is that your idea of integrity? You run from the slightest bit of constructive criticism (Constructive criticism is a well-meant critique intended to help someone improve) You talk about disrespect, and that is exactly what it was I was trying to point out to you. Using the word vegan out of context is disrespecting others way of life and the animals they vow to honor. I did not condoned your choice of a new lifestyle or you personally. Then you say there will be no trash talking on your site, but you are trash talking the vegan and raw food lifestyles, while still making a profit from it. Hopefully you can consider what I am expressing in a peaceful manner. I wish you well!

    • http://GreenMommyBlog.com/ Kristen Suzanne

      I actually took my facebook page down. I had been working toward that for a long time, slowly transitioning it to just family and friends. Decided that took waaaay too long so I finally just took it down. I think it might take two weeks to actually happen according to Facebook. PS I didn’t tell you off, I told you I won’t allow disrespect on my pages which is how you behaved.

      • Jinny

        No one is talking about you taking down your personal FB page (irrelevant). We are talking about ethics and how the word vegan is being used out of context. You said (on your author and chef FB page) “I can and will use the word anyway I want and whoever doesn’t like it can leave” (but you quickly deleted that statement). On your personal FB page you told me to “get out”. It appears you will not allow an honest conversation either if it does not fit your agenda.

        • http://www.paulnewcomb.com/ Paul

          I can tell from your tone and confrontational attitude that you aren’t capable of having an honest conversation. Get over yourself.

        • derek

          Not helpful, Paul.

        • http://www.paulnewcomb.com/ Paul

          I don’t follow. She’s being a troll, so I’m calling her out on it.

        • Ryan Critchett

          Agreed. Trolls need calling out. It’s not pretty, like some would santa claus belief esque want it to be, but it is the one thing people seem to want to extinguish: reality.

        • guest

          Ryan, what you wrote was gibberish. Signed, the trolls you encourage.

        • Ryan Critchett

          Man! And the whole day, I didn’t have to deal with anyone who defensively subtly attacked me because deep down they knew I was right about something, or they were 100%, irrefutably in the wrong and it upset them, driving them into said subtle knife throwing. — And that was starting to upset me! Now, I got my fix. Thanks for that.

        • anders

          @startupcell:disqus You might be the worst writer on the internet. Congratulations! You win!

        • Ryan Critchett

          Ah – so, well put together, deep vocabulary dense, explicitly conveying paragraphs = bad writing. We have a name for people like you, “anders, with no last name, picture, or any other identifying factors, but yet you want to talk sh** on a blog,” it’s called: hater.

  • Dana Solof

    Wow, thank you for the podcast! I used to read and follow Kristen Suzanne’s work. I went through the exact same thing, though maybe it took me longer and I had more health problems before actually eating some meat :). I’ve had a theory for a long time that the fertility/pregnancy issue brings a lot of the vegan diet issues to the forefront.

    I had been vegetarian since age 12 and vegan on and off for years (until I would get too weak and start eating yogurt or whey again). I was a national champion distance runner in high school and college, but I was constantly fighting low iron and anemia and I know I was severely protein deficient the entire time.

    A stressful job in finance put my health into a downward spiral at age 25 – I had debilitating allergies and found out I had Hashiomotos and Celiac disease. One of the first things I did was cut out nearly all grains and dramatically increase my fat intake. Even though I wasn’t eating meat, I think the extra fat (from coconut oil, nuts, avocados) helped regulate my hormones. I had my first non-birth control induced period at age 26!

    I started eating bison and salmon at age 27. Meat was so strange to me that I had to have my (vegetarian) husband cook it for me and hide it in tomato sauce. I didn’t eat a lot of it, but that and increased intake of grass-fed butter made a huge difference! When we started trying to get pregnant, I had no problem at all. When I was pregnant my favorite thing was free-range rotisserie chickens from a local gourmet market!

    My son is now almost three and half. He is the picture of health (never had more than a runny nose and cough)…and incredibly advanced for his age. I breastfed him for 2.5 years and he eats a diet rich in veggies, fruit, grass fed butter, free-range eggs, meat… everything except soy and tons of wheat. We actually can’t believe what a good eater he is. :)

    There are a lot of similarities between vegan diets and bulletproof-type eating. It’s just making a couple of additions and taking out the soy and grains. I still love a lot of vegan (grain-free) recipes and only personally eat meat a few times per week. I just had to give up labels. Idealistically, that was very difficult for me.

    • http://GreenMommyBlog.com/ Kristen Suzanne

      I appreciate you sharing your story. Thanks :)

    • ChristineLm

      Thank you for your story. I also nursed my children for a long time and they are incredible. Being in a La Leche group I followed up with the other mothers and discovered that the child of a vegan mother had stunted growth.

  • KM

    Investigative journalism needs to be done on Yelp

  • Kayleigh

    Thank you for sharing your experiences, Kristen. I transitioned from vegetarian to paleo-locavore a month ago, after 12 years of vegetarianism. It was hard to ‘admit defeat’ 12 years after spending my novice vegetarian teen years defending my perspective as the only vegetarian teen in my rural town. Now, I buy grass-fed beef from a local farm and eat organs and bone broth more often than muscle meats (healing the gut). While I like the taste of beef, I miss my frankensoy products, breads and sugary foods on a ‘vegetarian’ diet and am eating meat for the healthful and ethical benefits. My skin is improving and I feel great. Honestly, I eat way more vegetables now on paleo than I ever did as a ‘vegetarian.’ It was difficult to admit that my decision to be a vegetarian for 12 years was never really valid, in my perspective, so I appreciate you having the audacity to share the process you went through here.

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  • Adam J

    03:16 “the environment is helped”? Did she really say “the environment is helped”?

    • http://www.paulnewcomb.com/ Paul

      Are you hard of hearing or just looking for attention?

      • Adam J

        Can’t you just answer the question instead of being a c?

        • http://www.paulnewcomb.com/ Paul

          Yes, she did say “the environment is helped”. Ok, now that I’ve responded to the question you already know the answer to, let’s hear why you disagree with it.

        • Adam J

          If she said that, then thats retarded. I’m sure Ronda or whatever her name is would agree. Move on with your life, people like me are gonna say whatever we want, don’t like it, stay in bed. Peace =)

        • http://www.paulnewcomb.com/ Paul

          “people like me are gonna say whatever we want”

          Yes, and people like me are gonna continue to respond to stupid comments with a stupid answer.

          Wait a minute…did you really just say “stay in bed?” I think you might have, but I’m too lazy to scroll back up…

        • Adam J

          thats your time of day. much love! peace ^^

        • Ryan Critchett

          Adam – you’re like the guy responding in defense, because he knows he’s dead wrong, and can’t talk specifics to back up his nebulous assertions. BAM. Ousted. – but seriously. This is a stupid argument.

  • pantograph

    My best laugh of the week came with Kristen’s comment that she started dreaming of eggs! Been there myself, after 15 years as a vegan. I’ve now seen the light (and grass-fed butter) and lost 35 pounds and my high blood pressure.

    Like Dave, my wife and I can’t stomach organs, so it would help us if the webmaster fixed the link for desiccated liver.

  • Tycer

    Tycer’s Beef Liver Pate’

    1 Pound of Sliced grass-fed beef liver, fresh or frozen

    1 small Yellow Onion chopped into ~¾” pieces

    3 Tablespoons Kerrygold Butter

    Saute’ liver and onion in butter over low heat until onion
    is soft.

    Add:

    ½ Cup good quality Red Wine

    Juice of one organic Lemon

    2 Large Garlic Cloves, crushed

    1 teaspoon of Brown Mustard ( Lusty Monk )

    1 teaspoon of fresh Rosemary

    1 teaspoon of fresh Thyme

    Cook over medium heat until almost all the liquid is gone.

    Cool to room temperature

    Place in food processor or high quality blender

    Add:

    ¼ pound/113g room temperature Kerrygold butter

    2 Tablespoons of MCT oil

    Sea Salt to taste

    Blend until smooth

    Place in ½ cup serving bowls and chill.

    Serve with Celery, Carrots, Cukes etc….

    • KC

      Do you soak the liver first? I just ate a similar recipe and hadn’t soaked it in anything first. And it was probably the worst tasting food that I’ve ever forced myself to eat. Your recipe does call for a lot more butter and a few extra spices, though. I’ll have to try it. Thanks for a good beef liver recipe!

      • Tycer

        Nope. I thawed it and tossed it in the pan. I get it from my local farmer already sliced and frozen. It really smells strong until you add the wine and herbs.

      • Donabird

        In the book Nourishing Traditions she recomends soaking the liver in lemon juice.

  • DaveAspreyUnhealthy

    search “durianriders dave asprey” on youtube to hear the truth

    • ChristineLm

      I’ve done the 30 Bananas a day diet for a year and it was Great for one year only. I couldn’t do it again. Durian Rider has aged, I almost didn’t recognize him in this video. Not all diets work for everyone. There has to be room for adjustments. I was unable to conceive while on another raw food diet for 4 years until I started eating meat again.

    • Ryan Critchett

      Or we could just look at your name, and look at Durian Rider and know that the right move here would be to ignore your comment. Shame, I even commented here. What am I doing.

  • GarDinSprite13

    She is young time will tell. Now take a look at Tonya Zavasta,Peter Ragnar,they are living a life free of Disease and experiencing Bliss! These are older folk!

    This looks like a short lifespan and setting themselves up for illness in old age!
    I was Vegetarian,then Vegan Cooked,and Raw for five years!
    Then fell on hard times in a backwards state of NC went back on grains, dairy,fish,chicken,and turkey,I had a torn colon,diverticulitis, and had to surgically repair this,a Golf ball sized kidney stone, 5 ML and a few in my kidney, Also gallbladder sludge,infected tooth, Colon troubles!
    I am working my way back to no wheat since I have allergies!
    Doing as much Raw as I can afford,some beans,Ghee,Coconut and Olive Oils! Green Smoothies,and Juicing when I can and feel better!
    But 100% Raw was Bliss!
    If these people are not getting paid for this, then they just were addicted to their Flesh eating and had trouble dealing with cravings like a drug addict would feel when not getting their fix!

    • Redwana

      Ehh, none of those (except for maybe fish) are bulletproof. Also, given as you were on hard times, you probably weren’t buying grassfed, pastured, or wild caught either. I’m still on SAD since I still live with my parents, but even I know that grains are REALLY bad. Also dairy has inflammatory protein, chicken has oxidized cholesterol, farmed fish is GMO, etc, according to this blog, so you can’t dismiss the information here, because you didn’t follow it. So that could explain your health problems. For diverticulitis, I’ve read that it happens because people sit instead of squat when they go to the bathroom. I can’t cite this, so take it with a grain of salt, but it makes sense. Dunno about the kidney stones.

      Your comment has positives though. Raw is good. I’ve read up that much. Raw is very good. Green smoothies are great :) Ghee, coconut oils, and olive oils is also good. publications back those up well (Ghee isn’t raw though, so what the heck?) But the Bulletproof diet outlined in this blog is all for raw diets.

      My issue is raw beans. ARE YOU INSANE? How have you not died yet? That is a TERRIBLE suggestion to make. Raw kidney beans can kill you. Raw Limas make you violently ill. You may have this supposed stomach of steel, but how can you in good conscience recommend something so dangerous to the rest of us not-so-special general population? That seriously calls your credibility into question

      Just addicted to flesh eating? How insulting to the woman who presented here. You say making a health choice for herself and her child because raw veganism didn’t work for them is because they had a meat addiction? How can a child who probably never had any animal products be addicted to meat? Kristen was vegan for about the same amount of time that you were. I seriously doubt that she had a meat addiction after 4 or 5 years of being raw vegan.

      Yes Tonya Zavasta and Peter Ragnar look great, which is why I’m still considering raw veganism, but there also lies the chance that they are the way they are because of good genetics, and that veganism didn’t really help or hurt them in any way. There’s also no way of knowing for sure if veganism alone actually helped them or not, because they were using it, alongside caloric restriction, fasting, and a stringent bikram yoga regime (Tonya). Who’s to say that a little meat wouldn’t have boosted their performances farther? Also, you can’t be sure that they are actually healthy until you’ve seen them live their entire lifespan. I’m 19. I’m not holding my breath. You can claim all you want that I just want to feed my “addiction” to meat, and while it is tasty, I don’t crave it. I can easily live without it. I have nothing I need to prove to you.

      And what about vitamin B12 deficiencies?

      • GarDinSprite13

        Do not eat raw beans they are cooked in Ghee and spice! I have had sprouted Mung and garbanzo beans that was it! This was my experience not a suggestion for anyone!
        The eating of dead animals can be addicting once started very difficult to forget this animal like behavior! Animals are not subject to laws of nature they react on instinct!
        Humans are subject to Laws of nature because they have conscious souls! They will have to deal with negative karma created on the earthschool. In the vedas or also known as the Sanskrit writings the consumption of Raw food, spiritual awakening and consciousness was practiced millions of years ago and then again 500 years ago by a Devotee called Lord Chaitanya! So it’s not new to mankind to consume Raw foods!
        Raw food has also started to unbind,unharness the consciousness of mankind from the illusion of maya material nature again, in the now Golden Age of 2013. So it is a step down in consciousness to eat the flesh of animals! it is also the choice of each individual Atma/Soul to make this karmic choice!
        In my heart of hearts deep down in my soul I felt sorrow and knew this was wrong for my soul. Not wanting to continue the Transmigration of the Soul again, I would rather create good Kama on this life path and finish it all. So I can remember and return to my Spiritual home!
        About the B12
        After a few years people can absorb the B12 that is produced in their own gut periodically having it tested in the body. until one can take B!2 methylcobalamin. You seem to be on the defence! Not attacking you or anyone just talking about my life!

  • investmentfreak

    I think I’m in love

  • http://about.me/fixer Fixer

    Dave, curious what nitrates you use for making bacon. Most recipes call for Prague Powder #1 aka Pink Salt aka 93.75% table salt and 6.25% sodium nitrite.

    http://www.smokingmeatforums.com/t/54367/prague-1-vs-mortons-tenderquick#post_50885

    Prague powder #1 is a mixture of 1 part sodium nitrite and 16 parts salt. You normally use 1 level teaspoon of cure for 5 lb. of meat. Used at any time meat is not immediately put into freezer or refrigerator, Such as smoking, air drying, dehumidifying, etc. This is similar to and sometimes called Curing Salt.

    Prague powder #2 is a mixture of 1 part sodium nitrite,.64 parts sodium nitrate and 16 parts salt. You normally use 1 level teaspoon of cure for 5 lb. of meat. mainly used for products that will be air cured for long time like: Country Ham, salami, peperoni, and other dry sausages.

    Instacure 1 is a mixture of 1oz of Sodium Nitrite (6.25 %) to 1 lb of salt. Used at any time meat is not immediately put into freezer or refrigerator, Such as smoking, air drying, dehumidifying, etc.

    Instacure 2 is a mixture of 1 oz of Sodium Nitrite (6.25 %) along with .64 oz od Sodium Nitrate (4 %) to 1 lb of salt. mainly used for products that will be air cured for long time like: Country Ham, salami, peperoni, and other dry sausages.

    Note: The Curing Salts above contain FDA approved red coloring agent that gives them a slight pink color thus eliminating any possible confusion with common salt

    Morton’s Tender Quick is a mixture of salt, sodium nitrite, sodium nitrate and sugar. You normally use 1 level tablespoon of cure for 1 lb. of meat.

  • Femme

    I’ve been vegetarian for much of my adult life. And from time to time I have done Atkins which worked for me at the time (it was for weight loss purely when I hit the mid-year winter weight gain) but I really do not like meat. I have been vegetarian (again) for a few years. I just don’t think I can get around that. Can’t you do this diet without meat?

  • Paula M. Youmell

    Been there, done that. Was the die hard vegan for the same reason, Diet for a New America. I got pregnant and was dreaming about chicken and biscuits, roast beef dinner, eggs and cheese. I listened to my body and ate meat, eggs, and cheese. I felt so much better despite feeling guilty about eating animals. I eat local, grass fed meat only and local, raw goat’s milk. My eggs are from chickens I watch running free, eating what they want. Paula http://www.HandsOnHealthHH.com

    • Paula Youmell

      PS That was 15 years ago. My boys are 11 and 14 and I am 48. Listening to Kristen made me chuckle in a warm, fun way as I could have been telling the story (minus the vegan books, I did write many vegan articles but saved my writer’s energy for whole food writing.) as I am a dedicated to health and healing, learning real nutrition, etc.

      Great pod cast!

  • BPveg

    My mother quit eating meat six years before I was born. I have lived my whole life without meat. Until now. I am so glad to hear other stories of people making the change to meat-eating. For me this truly is an identity crisis in many ways. My vegetarianism has always been such a huge part of who I am, especially having NEVER eaten meat; I felt like it was something that made me unique. But it was also killing me. I am so glad that there are better options now than there were in the 1970s when my mother gave up meat. At the time, all that was really available (especially on the budget of a young family) was commercial meat. My mother read all of the literature about the horrors of the industry and had no more use for it. Now, I can buy my grass-fed, organically raised meat directly from the farmer. To me, buying food is a political act. I vote against big ag, and the hold it has on Washington, with my wallet. As much as I refuse to put bad food in my body, I refuse to give my money to the people who make it. After thirty years of weight struggles, digestive problems, and depression, I am finally starting to feel human. And I can feel good about the food that makes me feel good.

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  • Dan

    This woman knows nothing about detoxification. She went back to supporting the murder for 150 billion animals. What a joke.

    She is ignorant and a sell out… feeding her little baby burritos… what a fucking moron.

  • fergienz

    Is there a transcript of this podcast? I know a few raw vegans that I want to share this with, but I know they’ll never listen to a podcast :(

  • ianveganoption

    When the qualified experts – registered dietitians – tell us how to have a healthy ethical vegan diet, they don’t usually recommend 100% raw. So, should anyone who is having problems thriving on a vegan diet come across this show, I wanted to share a link to a very honest science-based site run by a vegan Registered Dietitian.

    Vegan Health.org, run by Jack Norris RD

    Have a read. I think trying to work out what specifically you might be missing, if anything, is better than swinging from one extreme to the other.

  • ianveganoption

    Although some report thriving on it, the raw food diet has a number of associated health risks. I wouldn’t want someone’s bad experience on a raw diet to put someone else off a well-planned vegan diet, which the American Dietetic association says is healthy for all live stages.

  • jonquimbly

    Kristen’s diet was high-fat raw! That’s a very unhealthy diet. No wonder she was looking for a change, but she should’ve worked on what foods her raw vegan diet included.

    One data point does not make a trend.

  • Janine Henkel

    Wonderful interview Kristen! You are the definition of integrity. No diet is perfect and we are always ever evolving. And you proved that you have an open mind. Thats why I still follow your blog. I know that whatever you post has been researched with your heart and mind.

    I tell my vegan friends to read “The Vegetarian Myth”. It is a non-offensive, very factually laid out book. At least they are armed with some new information after they read it (most of them at least start eating eggs after reading it). Hits all the points: ethical, political and nutritional.

    Thanks again for the great info.

  • Reasonable vegan

    Ugh…come on guise, 10 minute mark….”I had to get calories into her, and beans/etc nutrition profile is poor….what to do?” What about fruit? Plenty of healthy fruit? All this talk about processed vegan junk, tofu, fake meat….what about fruit n veggies, throw in some beans/rice/potatoes..etc. Any diet can be done poorly, vegan is no exception ( raw or otherwise.) Focus on whole plant foods, cooked or otherwise and forget the processed junk, high fat silliness already. Either it’s ignorance or bias….can’t quite tell.
    Lots’a raw vegans eating their way to poor health, no doubt. What’s causing diseases/cardiovascular problems…it ain’t sugar and whole plant foods. What else is there….?

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  • fergienz

    Was a transcript for this ever released?

  • Brent Versendaal

    Regarding Yelp, I’m not going to say they’re evil . . . yet. But I do have a small business with only one comment on my Yelp page and it happens to be negative. We are number one on Angie’s List and dominate Facebook in our area. Yelp has made it exceedingly difficult to get positive reviews on my profile. The jury is still out for me, but they are looking more and more like the evil empire.

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